What if your workspace--wherever it is and whatever it looks like--actively supported your growth and goals? It can. Listen in as I talk to Feng Shui expert, Patricia Lohan, all about it.
In this episode, (Feng Shui Expert, Healer, and Coach) Patricia Lohan talks to us about a practice that is misunderstood and underutilized, especially at work: the art of feng shui.
More and more huge companies and corporations (like Whole Foods) have begun to utilize this practice--understanding that feng shui supports the flow of more money, more opportunities, and more growth. It also makes their space more harmonious, not just for their clients but also for their employees. And, they are reaping the rewards.
Patricia has a gift for making feng shui simple and easy to understand and implement.
Listen in and give Patricia's "Fresh Eyes" challenge a try. Simple, little shifts really can make a huge difference!
If the energy in your space is not supportive, it creates and compounds any other issues you may have.
"The whole idea of feng shui is that things feel better... you feel better, things happen more fluidly. You go into a sense of flow and your space supports you with that."
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To learn more about Patricia Lohan you can find her online at patricialohan.com. Or, join her in her free Facebook group at facebook.com/groups/powerhousefengshui/.
- I'm Celine Williams and welcome to the "Leading Through Crisis" podcast, a conversation series exploring resiliency and leadership in challenging times. So my guest today is Patricia Lohan, who is the creator of Powerhouse and the author of "The Happy Home: A Guide To Creating a Happy, Healthy, Wealthy Life." She helps women make their home magnetic to money, luck and blessings and I had the pleasure of meeting Patricia a couple of years ago at an event and we stayed in touch ever since. It's lovely to have you here Patricia.
Thank you so much I'm delighted to be here.
So I always like to start with a big broad question there we go which is the name of the podcast is living through crisis, "Leading Through Crisis," not living through crisis, "Leading Through Crisis." And when you hear that, what comes to mind for you? What does that mean to you?
The very first thing that comes to mind, you know, as a feng shui expert is the symbol for crisis in Chinese is, translates to opportunity. And I just thought that's exactly what it is. That if we are hitting into something that is really uncomfortable, that actually in the east and with feng shui we see it as an opportunity. A lot of people come to me when they are in a crisis, when things are not going the way that they want, when they're feeling stuck, when something is happening, in their marriage, in their bank account, in their finances, and when we realize that they've, you know, been called into my world of feng shui, I'm like you're here for a reason because there's something that needs to be addressed. Your physical environment is not supporting you and we can turn it around. This is an opportunity. And I always say to them like this is great 'cause now we can fix it. If you found me it's a sign. So that's where I usually go and I am definitely the eternal optimist. So for me I'm like there's a reason this is happening and let's just work with it and see where it brings us.
Yes, I love that. And I love that, I love the connection between crisis and opportunity because I think we often get stuck in, and like it's happened to me is that you can't see, when you're in the middle of it it's like being in the, you can't see the opportunity, it's really hard to step out of it. And our, we are humans, we don't really love change. Change is a challenge, change is, like crisis is often just a change, which is always an opportunity. So it's a great reframe from crisis.
Yeah for sure. And just as you said that I remember listening years ago to this Abraham Hicks and I was having this thing with our business and it, you know, it didn't, it wasn't necessarily like as extreme as crisis, but it was a bit of a drama, you know, it was a bit of like, huh, and I remember listening to this and it's just like, there was a time when you didn't have, you have what, you've got what you wanted, you've got what you wanted, and this is what brings you to that space. So for example, you know, there was a time when I had no team, you know, and I wanted help in my business. And then there was something going on with the team and I'm like, okay well actually I did ask for this, I did ask for this team so here I am with them and there's going to be growth with all of the things that we desire and that's really what this is all about for me.
Yeah, yeah I love that. So I'm gonna, I will fully admit that I'm somewhat ignorant to feng shui. I know what it is obviously, like I have some awareness of it, I don't know it well, this is your world. But I'm really curious, so for our listeners or viewers who aren't super familiar with feng shui can you kind of tell us a little bit about it and how it does support this idea of an opportunity and getting through crisis and like the kind of connection there 'cause I think it's really interesting, and I, our environment is so important to how we show up that I'd love for you to really explicitly draw that connection for people.
Yeah, for sure. Well, you know, one of the things that I love to share especially for leaders, you know, every whole foods is feng shuied. So, and we're like, oh okay, we all know when we go, I don't have whole foods here in Greece right now but when I'm in America, I'm in whole foods and I'm like, this place is rocking it you know. And really when we translate feng shui into English the translation of the words feng shui it means good health and good harvest and harvest is always connected to, you know, what we reap, the seeds that we're sowing, it's our wealth, it's our prosperity. And in Chinese culture this is a 5,000-year-old practice. And one of the reasons that I love talking to someone like you and leaders that are here listening is because sometimes it has been, feng shui has been associated with this kind of little, kind of voodoo weird thing with, you know, trinkets and little frogs and mirrors and things like that. And for me it really is acupuncture for your home. So if your body is not feeling very well and you are, you know, not feeling great, you'll go to your doctor, you go to your acupuncturist, an acupuncturist will say, okay, well your energy is off we need to do this, we need to this, and they redig your energy. They don't give you fashion advice, you know, I'm not an interior designer, what I'm doing is really just working with the energetics of the building. And most buildings now are just, you know, they're not really built with a lot of thought, a lot of bigger, higher level concepts of like when feng shui first originated it was really bringing, building a house, our home in a space that was going to be the most support for the people in terms of the land around it, the water around it, is this a logical place that I'm not gonna get like, you know drowned or flooded or, you know, something crazy happening to us. Unfortunately that all kind of has gone out the window and we'll just put houses and buildings up wherever. And this technique of feng shui is often like for me, is all about just reading the energy of the building. We all have our own energy for ourselves and as we're growing, as an entrepreneur in business, as a leader in business, where there's so much personal development now in the world, like we're really working on, you know, overcoming crisis and challenges, overcoming our own limiting beliefs, overcoming our traumas, overcoming and you know, really digging deep into why is this happening and what, where's it coming from? And I love that. But for me the missing piece of the jigsaw is this piece of our physical environment. Because our physical environment has a very dense energy and, you know, call, if something is going wrong in a business in China, in Hong Kong, they don't call in like their strategists or business strategist, they call the feng shui master to be like what's happening? What's happened? Is it the new building built beside me that's infecting the energy here? Is there something going on externally? Is there something going on here? And let's fix it. And that's why I kinda started with, you know, every Starbucks, there's or not Starbucks every whole foods is feng shuied and other huge companies and corporations are using this practice. They're not just using it for, and they're not even flying the flag that they're using it, they're using it because they know it's supporting the flow of more money, more opportunities, more growth, and making the space more harmonious for not just their clients and not just for their banks, but also for their employees and for everyone to have free fluid communication, you know, creativity, money, productivity, all of those things.
I think that's really interesting and I'm, I, it makes me really curious with the number of people who have ended up working from home maybe without it being planned in the past year. How helpful this practice would have been or could still be to them because there's a big shift from, you know, where they were comfortable, where it was whatever set up, whether it was feng shuied or not there was a separation, a specific energy associated with each place and now we've kind of, for a lot of people have blended it together in a way that they're probably not feeling super supported and they're, it's not feeling great.
It's not feeling great and it's obviously putting a lot of pressure also on everybody else in the household. And not only that, it's like what I've seen, I've done huge calls, I've had like 600 people from corporations on a call talking about their office, like their workspace, there was like one guy working from a dishwasher like his dishwasher was the desk. I've had another lady was like wedged into the little desk in her bedroom and there's just a huge impact because you know, the gap between for example, I work with people, 90% of my clients were working on their home, but, and even if they have a business outside of there I might start with your home and then we'll do the outside space afterwards because we wanna get that balanced first. But what I often, what I've seen now is that lots of people would have got out to work and they would have not really had that much time in their house, but now they're spending all of this time together, so you're compounding if the energy of the house is not supportive for relationships, for money, for this, it's literally compounded because you're spending so much time in that place. I always think of a client who used to say, oh, my self, my husband get on so much better when we're not in the house. We come back and it's like, ugh. So all of those, yeah, anything that was just not that well but probably we didn't connect back, 'cause you may be sitting on like, wow, okay, actually, like I was my, I was doing great when I was working away but now I'm in my house and I'm sitting in my living room working or I'm living in or working in my, on my dining room table. And you know, there's a needs most with this, and for me I'm happy to talk more about just in terms of the things that you can do to create some boundaries with your workspace and how I've just been helping some, actually a lot of clients this year and last year like navigate this 'cause it's been really tricky for people.
I'd actually love to hear a little bit about some, like what can people do to create those boundaries especially, and this is my perception and look like I will fully own that this is my bias in that I work with a lot of leaders and I spend a lot of my time dealing with and talking to people in organizations where they are dealing with other people, right? So they're leading other people so there's that additional burden of whatever's happening in the home, in the workspace, in the office, and with the people. So they have this additional energetic burden if you will inside of that. So I definitely, I'm really curious what people can start to do to establish those boundaries or support, you know, the work that they're doing and the energy that they're putting into the different parts of their life and work.
Yeah, for sure. And I suppose the first thing is that if, you know, I had this amazing client, her husband is like a high level executive for this huge international financial firm. I was working with her feng shuiing the house, just going, doing review and being like, oh yeah, you've done great you've done great. And we got to her and we got to her husband's desk, the office that he'd been working on for the last year, and I said, nobody else, I said honestly nobody else has an issue in this whole house except the main breadwinner who's up in a bedroom, jammed in the corner, I said we need to address this now. And she said to me, she said, "I've tried to talk to him." I said, "we don't know how much longer this is gonna go on, how many guests have you had? You need to turn your spare bedroom, get the bed out, we need to make it a special, a centered, focused place for work." She said he had the worst year in his entire working life and he's like a senior in the like, you know, in the company. And I was like it's because he is sitting in that way at that way. So when I talk about like just that experience. I walked in, first thing I did when I, I was on Zoom, we open up the door and there is, literally he's sitting on a small little crappy wooden chair. And I'm like, if he is in his pad office in London what's he sitting on? And she said oh he has these lovely chairs. And his wife is downstairs on this beautiful like office chair and she's just like not really working, I was like, give him your chair, like get him in a proper seat. Like, you know, we're, it was also kind of temporary and unknown, but right now it's like you gotta take your space more seriously if you're going to be taken more seriously, that's the first thing. So we just like, I was like, get rid of the wooden little crap chair, get a proper table. He was crammed in on this small table and for anyone who's listening going, I don't have the luxury of this amount of space, I'm gonna give you some ideas for this, but I kinda wanna talk at like the first high level, like the best case scenario is that if you do have a spare room, get the bed out, make some space. You know if you are a senior leader and you're with people you need some space around you just like you do in your office that you used to go out to. You need to make your workspace a priority, that when you walk in you're like, oh my God I'm so happy to be here. I freaking love this place, I'm so happy. Not like, oh my God, here I am down in the corner like as an afterthought. Like we have to just switch it around. It doesn't, may not be permanent, but it will change so much just psychologically.
Yeah.
So the next thing was, we negotiated, we figured it out, and we were like, right, we're gonna get him into this office where he can sit with the wall behind him and he can see the door. At the time when I first saw the setup, the door opened and it was coming straight at him. So basically all the energy is coming and kinda coming like sideswiped so he's not able to see what's coming, and he had no support behind of this crap little chair, and he's looking out the window on a tight desk. And I was like we need to flip this around. You know, the CEO of the office, you know, needs to typically get through a secretary, loads of teammates, to the seat right at the back. Like the seat is never at the front. So we need to kind of just even energetically create the space. So we got him sitting with a really nice new chair, back to the wall so he can see the door, his has space in front of him. So oftentimes if you have and, this is, I've worked with a lot of women to attract love into their lives, and it's like that's how I met my husband feng shuiing my apartment. So when I am, when we, when I see a single, our double bed jammed up against the wall, there's no space like you're pushing away love. And the same goes for a desk. And it's like jammed up against the wall in a corner, you're feeling cornered in, you can't see what's coming, you're in the space of just like contraction, as opposed to expansion. So you wanna kind of give your self some space. Next goal is this desk it was just full of stuff and I was like we just need to take it all off the desk and take the main things that you work. Like just the very, very, very main things that you're gonna need here, let's get that in okay? Now, I'm a huge fan of the artwork or what's on your walls. Like everything in your office is impacting your subconscious mind. And affecting your energy all day long. So if you're sitting in an office that has, you know, your kid's toys, the bed, the suitcases, like, you know, a broken computer, all the old files from your old job, like all of that is like dissipating your energy. You wanna create a place that is like focused attention for your work and then have something that inspires you. So you talked about like everyone in here, a lot of people have a team. So have a picture of your team in the office. Like here we are, like when we used to have amazing team retreats, like there's our team. Have a picture of your family on your desk. Like, why am I doing this? What's this all about? Like what is this all about? Maybe, especially if you've got, now you're working from home you can get super creative. You could like, maybe I'm gonna have, maybe you have some goals that you were not gonna share with people outside, you know, in your typical office. You put your vision board up or get some like goals, this is what my goal is this year, this is what, you know, that you put into your office. So it's your, like your, so your walls, your whole space is like talking to you. I feng shuied this lady's office a couple of years ago and then I just feel like the office, the walls are like one of the things that I just, I've so many examples, like thousands of examples of artwork, like relate, like literally mirroring back what's going on the person's life. But this one woman when I saw her office, I was just like I don't know what I'm gonna say to her. Like she had a great desk, the chair, it was this like, it looked like the most elegant office ever, and then I'm like there's something here because she's on with me. So I'm like, tell me about this picture. And it was, when we zoomed in it was like a winter scene. So when we were talking about business, entrepreneurship, life in general, we want flourishing, we want growth, nobody really wants hibernation, or stagnation, or introverted time when it comes to like our business and our careers. And so I was like, oh, winter scene. It just felt like a bit harsh. I was like, oh, I'm not sure, I think that really we wanna change this for like trees, or flowers, or something that's literally flourishing. So I said to her I said, okay and then she goes, and it was, that was my ex-husband's. I'm like, okay, so there's a painting in your office that represents something that didn't work out, you know. Like, so we wanna just really, really mindfully like do analysis of your space, like what's in your workspace right now? does it align with where I'm going, with what I'm creating, and who I'm stepping into in my career? So that then changes your eyes of like, oh, that little kitchen table that I'm sitting on, chair I'm sitting on right now, or this desk that I'm sitting at, or, you know, the piece of art, I did a TV, an interview for Fox in, I think Fort Worth a few years ago. And after the show, the women were like, oh my God, we love you come see our cubicles. So we stood in the two cube, I actually just, I didn't say anything cause I didn't want, what I wanted them was to come to their own conclusions on this is my invitation for everyone listening. So we stood back and I said like, I wanna just look at what you have in your cubicles. One lady had like loads of like, like gimmicky toys and little like, just like lots kind of really weird things like that I was like, oh, okay. And then the other side this woman had like her award that she won for presenting, she had this kind of like little accolade thing, she had her some degree diploma in their space. And the lady with all the kinda childhood said, she goes oh my God, this just looks like I don't take my workspace very serious. I just don't take it very serious. And you could see like they totally, obviously they're different personalities, but it's like are you gonna take your workspace seriously about what you're doing? And you could see this woman had like all off her crew saw it and it was like, ooh yeah, I think I need to get rid of this, this, this, this, this, this, all this like gimmicky toys and stuff. She's like, I wanna go somewhere in my career, I don't wanna be a kid, you know and it was just this like what's on your walls? What's in your space? And is it lining you up at where you wanna go? And the next one is just like, again, a similar story but we had a tiny, was like a Tony Robbins coach, and we she had her back to the door. So having your back to the door can often again make you just not be able to see what's coming. So you're in this space of just like not being prepared and this kinda goes back to just that like idea of us being like, you know, afraid, fear like that fight or flight response. We can't see what's coming, we're kind of left in that more, a more stressed state than we will be like, oh, there's the door, hears that person coming in, and where as you're like, I can't see what's coming. So if you are sitting with your back to the door someone's gonna be like I can't change, and you can put a small little mirror on your desk so you can sit there and see what's coming in and you just go, ah, is that lets you down like a tiny bit. And so we flipped to her round, and then when she was sitting there she had all these books, cookery books, she used to be a Cordon Bleu chef and I was like, what all the cookery books doing in here? Like, where's the Tony Robbins books? So she moved like all her Tony Robbins books, all her personal development books in there and was like this is your sanctuary for your work. So just like those small things and for me it's just really doing this exercise that I know of called fresh eyes. Like come into that space that you're working in right now. If it is not, if it's a temporary space, let's just pretend that this is more long-term, like let's just pretend because we don't know and we're all in a bit of limbo, like nobody knows. So like what are the chances that you'll be going back? Then get yourself like a really nice space that you're like, okay, what is gonna bring me in here to inspire me, to uplift me, to make me feel good? I know when I upgrade, when I always, when I upgrade my office chair or my desk, I was like, I so love this. And even small little things can make a difference. You know for example, in my office a few months ago, I was sitting at my desk and I said God, we have these like, these kind of like polished white concrete floors which look very, very beautiful, but in the winter in Ireland, the under floor heating is nice, but it's like I don't wanna swelter in the office 'cause we were talking about the heat earlier on. I was like I want a rug and I got like the softest, coziest rug for under my toes and it just made me feel good. So you wanna just like think about these little nuances around your space and you'll honestly it'll shift you and your, up level your game.
Yeah, so thank you for all that. The one thing that I, that really stands out to me that I think is really important and I wanna emphasize is that idea that setting up your space for where you're going not where you've been. I think a lot of us are so attached to things from the past and it's like trinkets, right? Like those little tchotchkes that woman had in her cubicle whatever it is, that we, and we don't wanna lose what that meaning was at some point or who we were forget, which is great, but it doesn't serve where we're going to have it around us in those ways. Especially in an office, right? Where it's about work and like presumably success and growth and opportunity.
Yeah so like get your diplomas up on the wall. Like you've done all this study, get the awards up. Get the awards that you wanna win up. You know, like where am I going? What am I creating? What are my goals? You know, who are the people? So even on the bookshelves like, is there people that you aspire to be like, bring them into the office, like bring that energy in so it fires you up.
Yeah, I love that, I think it's so, it's really funny 'cause it sounds really simple, right? Like you're like, oh yeah, obviously, but most of us don't do that right? Like we just, we default into the thing that we're comfortable with and we're like, yeah, this is just, I've always liked whatever this thing is. I'm just gonna have it around me 'cause that's what I do.
Exactly and honestly don't feel bad. Like I have seen hundreds and hundreds of offices over the years, and the thing is it just takes you kinda like changing your perspective and it's the same in your house. Like you walk in, you see the stuff and you just stop seeing it, it's just there. And you're like okay, how can I just change it up? And just idea of changing it up and letting go of some of the things out of your office will make a huge difference. Like the same goes even for your computer. Like if you go onto your desktop and it's like full of stuff, it's like, oh, like this is just too overwhelming, like give yourself a favor, like make some space on that desktop like a mighty thing is I select and I'll put them all into one folder and then give myself permission to change my screensaver to this like, and I currently have a photo that's like I always talk about and then one of my clients sent me a message she's like, look where I've been. And it's just the most stunning picture of all of these trees, the sun shining through it and blue bells you know. And for that, for me it just feels like so abundant, so rich, so connected, so connected to growth, and that's where we want to be in that energy. And you know, for that person who might be listening going I can't move my desk and my back is the door I'm like put your mirror in. I had a desk years ago oh man and the office, I still had my interest of feng shui like since I was 15. So I had this office in a basement that we used to call the dungeon. And I was like the main general manager of the business. And my office was the worst office you've ever seen like seriously. And I, one day was like this is ridiculous. Like everybody else gets the view of the ocean and I'm down in the dungeon. So I went up and took a picture of the view and I went to the printers and I printed out this beautiful picture, I put a window ledge around it so I pretended that I was there. Like so when I sat on my desk I didn't have this like wall at me I saw this image that was so expansive. So like we can use art, we can make our space like just, we can use art, we can use a little mirror, we can do little nuanced things to kind of make the space as good as you can. You know so if you are, and I have like several clients who are working in their bedroom right now. Not ideal, you know, who wants to be sleeping with their work. Like, you know, it's not good for a relationship, it's not good for your, if you are single you wanna fall in love but what can you do? You know one thing that I love is that I work with a client, she got her new chair, gorgeous new chair, we set her up so she can see the door on her desk. But at nighttime she got this beautiful box that she just puts everything into and it goes under the desk. So it's like off like just tidy it away. Like just that clear boundary is so important. There's another client who has a computer that she just can't like, you know, can't dismantle it, so she's got a special shawl that just goes over it that's it. And another client who absolutely loves this one and she's like it has changed her entire work process, is that I asked her to get an open and closed sign. So she bought an open and close sign, like, you know, you see in a store and she hung it on her door of her office. She wanted to call in love into her life but she was basically married to her business where her bedroom and our office were side by side. And I was like look it, the, until you close the door on your workspace on a Friday, there is no space. You're working all the time and you're not switching off and this is where it gets tricky right now because you know, everyone's working from a home so you think you're like, oh, you're more, you're almost like on all the time. So you need to create these just like even visual triggers for open and closed. And honestly she said on a Friday evening she just turns it and goes yay. And that's when she made space to meet someone. You know we worked on the feng shui, we worked on her bedroom, and then once she called in the love, it was like let's go back to the office so she can put that up for more money. You know so it's this balance and finding like what are the little things you can do? So the closed sign, the open close sign is just so good. And this also can be really good for just our own mindset as well to be like, I'm off now, goodbye. You know we've taken it to the extreme here in Greece like we've basically rented one house for work and next door for living. So we just, I work in one I close the door. And we have our work conversations even in here. It's like if there's a work conversation, I'm like nope, we have to go over there and they're right beside each other. But it was just this like clear like how can you create boundaries? If you're working at the kitchen table, you know, we've had, as I've had so much still get a different chair, even if it's just a different cushion, you know, something that's like, this is my work thing. And maybe you get like a candle and you, like I have one client who actually built a screen around her that like a cardboard screen around her so that her kids wouldn't disturb her when she had it up. She's like don't come near me, when this comes up goodbye. And just leave me alone, I'm in work mode, and then at the end of the day she packs everything away and she puts that lovely different place mats and candles so it's not like you're sitting at the same place all day long, it's different.
Yeah, it's so interesting how the physical separation serves us in so many ways even if it's my, it doesn't have to be these, and I appreciate you sharing all this because I think there's this idea sometimes that it has to, it's all or nothing right? And you hear feng shui and it's like, oh, well I have to completely redo everything and it's gonna be, you know, I have a friend who once told me, well, isn't that where they put the stones in different parts of the room like you put rocks in, like that was the perception of it. So it's either like it's all or nothing, or this these, but it's really what you're talking about is it can be very small things that change the perception of the space, that change the boundaries that give us an expansive view that remind us that it's more than just this blank wall, or this basement, or this whatever it is. That actually serves us to be and do our best.
Exactly and like for me, you know with feng shui it is like an iceberg. Like at the top of the iceberg, there was the things I can share here with you that are on the visible plane. Like, you know, it's like the aesthetics, the clutter, all of those things, like all of that that's on the visible plane. When I work with clients we're working with the invisible energy and there's no structural changes and this is where there's just so much like miscommunication about feng shui. I consider myself like an energy worker for a house, you know, just like you go for an energy balance for yourself, for your energy, for your acupuncture, for your health, I'm like an energy work for house. And there're some houses that are toxic for health, for money, for relationships, for career. And that's when people come to me because they're like, you know, I'm doing all the things that my coach is telling me, I'm doing this, this, this, this, I'm working really hard, like, but I'm still not doing this. You know, I have one client who had an amazing business, like an incredible business, and she just signed a $28,000 deal with a new client. A week later, her plumbing in her house exploded. Guess how much the bill was? $28,000. She's like Patricia I can't make this stuff up, I can't live like this anymore, there's something going on with my house. 'Cause I'm doing the stuff, I'm getting the money in, but it's gone. So that's when I come in and I'm like gonna like actually diagnose what's going on and give the cures and balance it. And it can be, it's, you know, it's such a beautiful practice 'cause it impacts everything not just ourselves, but our children, our families, our husbands, you know, everybody, your wives, partners, everyone benefits. But when we, yeah, so but this is the part that's like, not necessarily it's just a, you know, a misunderstood practice. And I love to get people just kinda go, oh, you know, I did this thing, you know, I changed my desk around and it felt so much better. And the whole idea of living in a feng shuied house is that things feel better. That you feel better, things go more fluidly, you go into a sense of flow and your home supports you with that. And that's really, yeah, where I come in. But at the beginning there's just like so much that we can just do ourselves with our houses when we just open our eyes and then just look for things that are not aligned to where we're going or even just friction points, like things that just bug you in your house like the door just doesn't work or the leaky tap, like these things they're just depleting not just your energy but the energy of the house, which is then having a ripple effect on what's happening around your home.
Yeah, so for people who wanna learn more about you and what you do, who are intrigued by this idea, where can they find you, Patricia?
Yeah, so you can come to me at patricialohan.com and I do have a guide for the office that's at patricialohan.com/office. And yeah, you can follow me on Instagram, I'm always sharing tips and I share a weekly YouTube video as well. So they're all at patricialohan.com and you can check it all out there on my blog and yeah. And I would love to hear if you have an aha moment or you change something around in your office, or your desk or you get stuff, you get I am the boss chair, like something I just love I'm like get an I am the boss chair and then when you sit in it you're like I'm a boss.
Yes, I love that. And we'll have links to all that in the show notes. But in case someone's listening and driving or something I always like to have it out loud. Thank you for sharing that with us and especially the really practical tips because I think it kind of, it helps demystify the idea of feng shui and makes it much more practical and seriously for anyone who is listening and watching try these things out and get in touch with Patricia she's really amazing at what she does.
Thank you so much.
Thank you, it's lovely to see you again.
You too.
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